Memory lane

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Re: Memory lane

Post#21 » Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:29 pm

Oh, you owe me a big apology for starting all the drama that got me banned. Sure, me and my two friends were using the same computer but that was non-sense bro. Straight up.


Ooh, I never saw this when this reply might actually be relevant, but I have no idea what you're talking about or who you are really. Based on your story I thought you came later. I was primarily a 90s poster (InsideTheWeb, kudos to whoever might have the URL so I can use Wayback) and by 2004 I was all but gone. I do sort of remember your s/n (specifically, "The Real" part) but I can't remember specifics. Did you have an AIM handle or something that would jog my memory? There are certain people I remember primarily that way.

I definitely don't remember slighting you in any way though. The only time I remember bringing up a matter of the same I.P. belonging to two different users was Seph and SOLDIER, and them both being educated conservatives didn't help my suspicions. Once Cyrus (or maybe Ambigore still at the time) obtained some kind of secret personal proof regarding their separate identities, I never brought it up again.

Maybe I still had suspicions later, but I think by the time I talked to them both on AIM it was clear. SOLDIER would entertain my antics on AIM far longer than Seph if I remember correctly; Seph would eventually just stop responding if I said something outlandish enough. SOLDIER would just say something matter-of-fact. However, Seph was more humorous in general, while SOLDIER was more serious and my jokes often were met with a serious response. I could be mistaken though? Been a while.

Beyond that, I really only ever feuded with Cyrus and Squall, and they were both love/hate things, at least in my own view.

I was always against banning, moderation, and censorship in general, and I argued against the banning of Chester when that was relevant.

There was one time, I argued that Squall Leonheart should be banned, not for the I.P. thing, but because he used Uncle Elmo's account to use its admin privileges, and I considered that similar to the thing I did to get banned sometime earlier. I can't remember all the details but I was convincing enough to get Squall temp banned, and he was popular. I think I argued his infraction was worse because he actively used another person's account, whereas I just registered my own Ambigore account and later someone else (presumably Cyrus) gave it admin powers without verifying the owner.

Otherwise, I never banned anyone even when I did have the power to do it on my own, and I definitely didn't ban anyone after that was discovered and fixed. Sounds like you were round-tabled by the moderator clique.

Does anyone remember Mr. Mike and his crew? I chatted off and on with his girlfriend's sister who also posted here for a little while. Mike was Canadian. I thought of all of them the other day and wanted to ask here.


I think I talked to Mr. Mike on AIM, IIRC, but I never knew his crew. I avoided group chats. He was very young originally, wasn't he? One of our resident 12 year olds we had at certain times? Or am I mistaking him?

I think our only hope for most of these folks is that they get nostalgic and come back here. That's the nature of Web 1.0, and all of our handles and anonymity that we had.
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Re: Memory lane

Post#22 » Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:11 pm

DeathScythe wrote:
Does anyone remember Mr. Mike and his crew? I chatted off and on with his girlfriend's sister who also posted here for a little while. Mike was Canadian. I thought of all of them the other day and wanted to ask here.


I think I talked to Mr. Mike on AIM, IIRC, but I never knew his crew. I avoided group chats. He was very young originally, wasn't he? One of our resident 12 year olds we had at certain times? Or am I mistaking him?

I think our only hope for most of these folks is that they get nostalgic and come back here. That's the nature of Web 1.0, and all of our handles and anonymity that we had.

Now that you mention it, maybe he was young when he got here. That seems vaguely familiar. I never actually talked with Mike on a regular basis. Maybe once or twice, later on. I should have used something other than crew. I just meant that there was a group of posters who interacted IRL and showed up at one point or another here. Mike posted here, but not his girlfriend, just his girlfriend's sister. And there was one or two others who came around, posted a week or two, and then disappeared into the ether.

Need to hit up Reeve's subsite with emails and IM handles. See if any of the email addresses are still functioning. I emailed Bluejay the other day and got a reply.

EDIT: No more reunion tracks site. Shows how much I pay attention. :P
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Re: Memory lane

Post#23 » Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:36 am

Now that you mention it, maybe he was young when he got here. That seems vaguely familiar. I never actually talked with Mike on a regular basis. Maybe once or twice, later on. I should have used something other than crew. I just meant that there was a group of posters who interacted IRL and showed up at one point or another here. Mike posted here, but not his girlfriend, just his girlfriend's sister. And there was one or two others who came around, posted a week or two, and then disappeared into the ether.


For me there are these three eras, one where I interacted with everyone (the golden era), and one post-Squall feud where I interacted with only those that didn't hate me, and then another one even later where most everyone involved had moved on, break-ups, college, etc., and it was a new crop of people with little connection to the past.

I remember him being era three. I didn't praticipate much at that point. The vanishing friend thing would have probably annoyed me if I were here, but at least he was promoting the board. The community becoming so insular really hurt when those people left. More interaction on IM services as opposed to the board was a mistake.

I suppose the narrow subject matter didn't help, either. We can only talk about one game for so long, and you can't really make the argument that it's the best RPG of all time anymore in 2019. Maybe we really should have gone the FFOnline route and had multiple Citadels. We could at least have done it better.

For the record, I had to wait for account creation approval when I made this in 2017, and I didn't have to wait long, but that only works if there is an active mod to approve them (do we have one?). I don't know if that's still how it is now, but I don't think it's a good idea.

EDIT: No more reunion tracks site. Shows how much I pay attention.


Wayback machine, if you have a URL. You can also wayback the Citadel itself, to find the link to the Reunion tracks site if it's gone. Which is also how I can find the InsideTheWeb URL. Now I have something to do.

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Re: Memory lane

Post#24 » Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:51 am

DeathScythe wrote:I suppose the narrow subject matter didn't help, either. We can only talk about one game for so long, and you can't really make the argument that it's the best RPG of all time anymore in 2019. Maybe we really should have gone the FFOnline route and had multiple Citadels. We could at least have done it better.

Were you ever active at FFO's forums?
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Re: Memory lane

Post#25 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:51 pm

Death. You were responsible for alerting Cyrus to us having the same IPs cause your stupid feud with Cyrus. I want the itw address. I was at insidetheweb, I was here during the first ezboard. I am the reason this site had an roleplay to begin with despite the site history being completely wrong about who started it. Which, still pisses me off. lol
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Re: Memory lane

Post#26 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:02 am

Well, I was a dick then I guess. I apologize in that case! All that stuff did coincide around the ITW to EZboard transition, so I believe you. Who was the other person I thought was also you?

There really was no reason why two people living at the same house shouldn't be able to have two accounts. It was a kids' mentality though.

We also shouldn't have been able to see each other's IP's. It's crazy to think how common that was on Web 1.0.

I never actually tracked down the ITW URL, but I'll give it a search later and post back my findings.

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Re: Memory lane

Post#27 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:52 am

The IP thing happened on ezboard. It was me and two of my friends. Granted I just brought them along to join the forum. That was why it happened. Then we had to do this stupid ass provide proof who were were. To no avail. You was able to see the IP's cause you had made yourself admin. Not sure why the hell you did all of that or not that it matters now but still, it was dumb.
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Re: Memory lane

Post#28 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:47 am

The IP thing happened on EZboard. It was me and two of my friends. Granted I just brought them along to join the forum. That was why it happened. Then we had to do this stupid ass provide proof who were were. To no avail. You was able to see the IP's cause you had made yourself admin. Not sure why the hell you did all of that or not that it matters now but still, it was dumb


Something sounds strange about the timeline, but I've gone through that whole saga so much, I think even in this same thread, that I have nothing more to add. Except that I didn't "make myself an admin", because that would be impossible. Original there was one admin, the creator, and he promoted the accounts he promoted.

Now, on to fun stuff!

Check this out, a snapshot of MadCow's board from 1999 on ITW. You'll notice you can see IPs. This was not sacred in Web 1.0. ITW didn't even have mods, or account creation. One person had the ability to delete something: the board's owner. Therefore, IP numbers were how you confirmed identity, or outed an imposter. On IRC, you could /dns any nickname you saw, and see the IP and server name they were connecting from.

Just a different time.

https://web.archive.org/web/19990427075052/http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb21656

If you scroll down the board, you will see an Ambigore post from 1999, no idea of his age at the time but I'm guessing young, "Got you locked... doing a trace... " and then he replies to his post with "ISP... AOL??? (n/t)". My guess is he's trying to flex, and threaten some troll or hacker. There would be these white hat/black hat wars....we might have even had some kind of, protection group possibly. "N/T" meant there was no text inside, and so no reason to click the reply; all info was in the subject line. ITW etiquette.

"mb21656" was the ID number of MadCow's board. I had these memorized and written down. Unfortunately, not anymore. It was common for people to regular on multiple FF7 boards, though, and that was where I first met Ambigore.

One issue I have had trying to find the old ITW Citadel though, is that WaybackMachine only has Citadel images going back to 2002. This is because, before that, we were on GeoCities!

Below is the oldest image of the Citadel messageboard Wayback has available for the ff7citadel.com address. It's from 2002; ChibiTaryn is admin, Stavro is now Wu Ming, SOLDIER officer 81 is SOLDIER 81 (guess that was a temporary change), Serious Discussion is still Religious Discussion and the whole thing is bizzaro-world.

You can't view anything beyond the subject line of posts though. Lots of nostalgic user names visible (NSNick, Darkdrium1, Negator55, Phoenix the Rebirth, etc.), and in "Religious discussion", you can see a post titled "Who here... Hates gay people?" and the last person to reply to it was Sephiroth9611. I wanted to see it so badly, LOL!

https://web.archive.org/web/20020124114750/http://citadel.havoks.com/

So, no luck yet finding Citadel GeoCities URL, which I will need to find the ITW URL. I ended up on MadCow's trying to find links to it. Still looking, though!
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Re: Memory lane

Post#29 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:51 am

Also, for whatever reason, EZboard is excluded from Wayback machine. I already found this URL for our temp board: http://pub12.ezboard.com/bff7citadeltemp

But it does me no good.

I also realized I mistook Stavro with Squall Leonheart in my earlier post. Stavro was the one I feuded with. No idea who Squall was.

Edit: the oldest ACMLM board I can find is from 2005, and you can view the next handful of years using the frame at the top:

https://web.archive.org/web/20051220142745/http://forums.ff7citadel.com/index.php

Even more user names I haven't seen in a while. "Ben rhymes with hen" in General Discussion. He's actually an original that goes back to the ITW days too.
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Re: Memory lane

Post#30 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:55 am

I remember the timeline well. When you spoofed the ambigore account, is how you gained access to seeing people's IP's. I'm gonna look at the inside the web stuff now.

The guy mentioned in the "snake can't hack the board no more" was my friend who got banned and kept fucking with the forums. I had no idea how he was doing it or what method of this so called "hacking" he was doing which was sort of the reason I believe they moved to the acluim board. Weirdly enough, he had some thing with Vincent Angel which again, I was not privy too. Like they were an item, I'm not sure? Much in the same way me and JūNanaGō from here dated, so that was interesting to me.
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