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Anguipes Seraph Jemnezmy Local moderator Level: 49  Posts: 552/806 EXP: 865388 For next: 18495 Since: 10-03-06 Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| Random things I think about Crisis Core, after having played through the main story mode. This list will be added to as I think of things, and as I do my second playthrough trying to get everything.
Obviously, SPOILERS ABOUND Gameplay - CC really tries, and somewhat fails, to be a handheld game. I guess the idea is that you can pick up and play a quick mission or two, but considering the target market who is really going to play it like that? It doesn't help that the missions become really repetative. Grinding may be a grand old JRPG tradition, but there's nothing else to occupy you for a bit of variety (not that can be accessed outside the main progression of the plot, at least) - Then for all its trying to be "pick up and put down", it's full of little, slightly-overlong aspects. Switching into and coming out of combat mode. DMW spinning longer than is really necessary, taking longer as the mode changes, taking even longer if you get memories. And you can't skip cutscenes, at all, ever. - You can get through the main story, and a chunk of the missions, by spamming the X button. So it's "too easy". On the other hand, you get a quite nasty divide in the mission levels whereby you come to a stage where you need to know the full extent of the combat system, and how to boost your stats with materia. So if you try the X spamming there it's "hard and frustrating". I put this down to... - The in-game tutorials, and the manual, are very vague about the details of the game. You don't learn much about materia fusion, or anything how vital it is to boosting your stats. DMW is poorly explained (not that you can control it). I didn't even have a damn clue what exactly I was supposed to do in the squats game, and only found out by trial and error. Plot - Overall... I'm just not sure. It works, I guess. Sometimes it works very well. Other times things seem to be happening for the sake of seeing something about the characters, which is a little sloppy (but infinitely preferable to characters doing things for the sake of the plot). - Cloud and Tseng get beaten up a lot. Essentially for the same reasons every time - so the fans go "awww" and "save the day, Zack!". It gets a little wearing. - The final, tragic ending was wonderfully handled... up to the final FMV. I'd spoilered myself into oblivion before playing (damn you, late UK releases and my insatiable curiousity), but I hadn't seen this. The scene between Cloud and the dying Zack was for me just too overblown, too full of flat attempts to draw parallels between Cloud/Zack and Zack/Angeal, and too full of brick-subtle foreshadowing of FFVII. I'd have cut it down to a dazed Cloud dragging himself up to an already dead Zack, and losing it. NEW! - There's a couple, or maybe more than a couple, of places where the player is blithely assumed to know the parts of plot of FFVII in detail. Mostly it's to fill in the gaps around the massively cut-down beginnings of the Nibelheim incident, but there is also one optional and one mandatory(!) quest that relies on your knowledge of details in FFVII. The information you need cannot, to my knowledge, be found in-game. Characters - In general, very well done - the plot is very character driven and you get a good impression of all the main players. - Zack's maturing from an eager rookie into a more focused and respected leader isn't done in much detail, but nevertheless feels right. - Cloud's... just a kid. Awwww. They did quite a good job with that, though sometimes they lay on the pathos a bit too thick. - As far as I'm concerned, I think they handled pre-totally-crazy Sephiroth really well. I can see some fans saying he's "too normal", but I never agreed with a totally alien or emotionally crippled interpretation (at least externally). He's got Jenova's abilities, and considering she's a mimic the most important of them is blending in. - A bit of smug confirmation of my own ideas - Sephiroth has some moments of impressive empathy. Asked to predict what Sephiroth would have been like pre-Nibelhiem this is one of the characteristics I would have opted for: again, it stems from Jenova's mimicry abilities. Sephiroth can get inside people's heads; it probably made him an excellent leader. - Aerith is too FFX Yuna. Very earnest and serious, and looks like she has a perpetual slight frown. She doesn't seem anything like the confident, slightly sassy slum dweller she is when we first encounter her in FFVII. NEW! - I'm pleasantly suprised with what they did with Genesis towards the very end. He suddenly becomes much more ambiguous than simply a bad guy. Retcons - SOLDIER is given a rather more Special Services type slant than implied anywhere else. I actually rather liked that. - THAT RETCON in the Nibelheim Reactor. I thought there'd be some CC-plot related reason to it, but there isn't one. Sephiroth's already come to the conclusion that stuff is up without the need for Genesis' exposition. The scene really didn't need to be stuck in one of the most important nostalgia parts of the game. NEW! - Sephiroth's initial belief that Jenova was an Ancient seems to have been retconned out of existence. Just like his General rank. (Addition: Maybe I spoke to soon on this one. In one of the memory sequences in the DMW, he talks about Jenova as an Ancient.) - Sephiroth shutting himself up in the inn before disappearing into the mansion it retconned out. It's a reasonable cut, but a shame - I'd have liked to see Zack's reaction. - Sephiroth's now down in the basement for seven days. I was sure it was three in the original, but checking the script a length of time didn't seem to be specified. Design - In the FFVII-verse, every man wears earrings. Well, maybe not every one, but they seem to be showing up on a lot of characters (Zack, Cloud, Genesis, Lazard...) - Sod it, it look pretty stunning. Just goes to show what you can do with a low polygon count and well designed texturing - What with DC and now this, the area designers seem to have contracted a bad case of invisible/irrational barriers. Mostly in mission mode, where a limited range of maps are sealed off in different patterns to create an illusion of variety. Perfectly viable paths sealed off with... red dots. Seriously. If you can put in the red dots, why not just a touch more work to add a wall graphic that actually seals that corridor? - The two shots of video taken from AC seem to have suffered from compression. They're of a lower image quality (particularly some colour issues) than the FMVs for the game. - Zack has actual, honest to goodness mako eyes! I think this is the first time the mako glow has been properly implemented in design in either the Compliation. We've seen eyes glowing at specific moments (in Last Order, for example), but not a constant glow. Bravo! ...on the other hand, it's only Zack. There is kind of an excuse for that - the other SOLDIER members all wear helmets, Angeal and Genesis are a different type of SOLDIER, and Sephiroth... is Sephiroth. He gets the same "let's give them glowy eyes only when we need to show uberpower" treatment that the Compilation has given every SOLDIER up until now. NEW! - Some scenes, especially the Nibelheim incident fights, really suffer from lack of blood. Especially on the replay after seeing the final FMV, which does have blood. NEW! - Well, that whole "one-winged angel" thing was a genuinely striking bit of design once. Way to go dilute it into complete and utter meaninglessness, Squeenix. Voice Acting - This the first Squeenix game I've played where none of the voice acting jarred me. Not a single misplaced delivery, and good voices throughout. Well, except... - Aerith suffers, again. It's in part down to her characterisation though. - The lip sync is... whoa. Did they tweak the animation for the English version? I'm on my second playthrough and watching out for this, but I still haven't spotted any of the bad sync that cropped up in, for example, FFX. - I'd have liked to be able to turn the subtitles off. (Can you? Not 100% sure) - My dream is still to see and FF game where you have the option of the original Japanese audio with English subtitles. Ah well, maybe next time. Additions - I'd have liked to see more interaction between Hojo and Sephiroth. And by more, I mean any. Not even very much - just a look between the two could have said everything that needed to be said - A bit more between Zack and Cloud wouldn't have gone amiss either. - Less should have been cut from the earlier stages of the Nibelhiem incident. It seemed rather rushed, and also never explained why they lost a man (he just disappears...). NEW! - How did I miss this the first time around? The conversation between Zack and Sephiroth in the library before Nibelheim gets toasted doesn't appear in the main game. It's not exactly cut, as part of it appears in a DMW sequence, but still. - I wanted to see more about the induction process into SOLDIER, and the extent of the treatments they recieve. We don't see anything about this - Zack's already in SOLDIER, and there's no mention of Cloud ever trying out(!?) O RLY? Moments - Crazy fan pedantry ahead. Zack's scar is cross shaped, but surely the blow that caused it would have left a single line? - When you degenerate, so does whatever you're wearing. And you don't make any attempt to change your clothes. That was sadly just about all I could think of when I looked at the degenerating character designs - "lol, clothes". - Sephiroth's eyes. Nobody comments on the fact that he has slit pupils. Ever. And they comment on everything else, up to and including confidential company business. Surely somebody, somewhere, must find this odd? - Why does Zack wear 3rd Class blue when he's 2nd Class? Though really it's darker, and therefore unique. WTF? - "I've never actually seen you use that". Zack hadn't seen Angeal use the Buster Sword when he said it. It's totally ridiculous when Cloud says the same thing to Zack. Zack just fought his way up and down Mt Nibel with it, retard. He uses it all the time. Mysteries - LOVELESS seems pretty much designed to cause frenzied fan speculation on its meaning. I'm not even going to start right now. Incidently, am I the only one who felt like attaching the name LOVELESS was little more than name-dropping from the original game? The title doesn't really seem to fit. - Not exactly a "mystery" per se, but here for completeness (and for those who didn't go around repeatedly interrogating random strangers, or who played in Japanese). It would seem Lazard is President Shinra's (illegitimate?) son. Evidence as follows: One of the women in the slums talks about a women who committed suicide after the President dumped her. Apparently she had a son. - Somewhere between a mystery and an O RLY?, the Sephiroth fanclub was supposedly established twenty years ago... Sephiroth would have been no more than five (assuming the earlier parts of CC are set in around the same year as the Nibelhiem incident, and that Sephiroth was born in the same year that Jenova was discovered... if the former is date is earlier, or the latter one later, he'd have been even younger). On the other hand, the mysterious chairwoman(?) of the club is a certain "H"... if that's who I think it is I'm going to hurl. NEW! - Addendum to the previous: it would seem that "H" is in fact Hojo. After the Nibelheim incident, from H: "Sephiroth will never die. As long as I live, so will he!" "...I have a plan. I shall let you know when it comes to fruition." Ew ew ew ew ew. AS to why he'd be chairing a fanclub, I wonder if he keeping an eye out for a potential mate for his prize specimen? ...why am I even going there? Ew. Ew. You creepy, creepy bastard, Hojo. Random - Between over-shoulder camera and timing squats, I have spent far too much time staring at Zack's arse. - I feel I should be somewhat ashamed that I aced the Silver Elite test without having to think twice. - Tseng can dig up a grave without so much as creasing his suit. Turks are awesome. - Between Ifrit's thong and Angeal's... rather, um, obvious... bulge... (seriously, take a look at the official character design art) I think Nomura might have some kind of issue. And I probably do too for noticing. - Zack says "I love you" twice to members of SOLDIER, but (IIRC) not once to Aerith. NEW! - this one's for the Forum Member Formerly Known as Reeve: Blue Shinra! Well, not really, but there's a poster with a blue version of the Shinra logo up on the SOLDIER floor. TO BE CONTINUED... 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| There is also the fact that Cloud is wearing the black first class uniform at the end of CC but all during FF7 he is wearing purple. | |||
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Just picking and choosing here...
Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph I don't know about the rest, but Squeenix has been better about making cutscenes skippable and tutorials easy to understand in other games (the ones for TWEWY in particular are astoundingly thorough), so to hear these particular gripes is disappointing, since I know they know better. Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph Yeah, fairly sure the time wasn't specified in the original FFVII, but a week sounds way too long for a mere monster-hunting mission, especially for Sephiroth. You'd think somebody at Shinra would've been suspicious... Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph *double-checks the original game's character art* Yep, seems like Cloud had an earring. Must be a SOLDIER thing. Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph It could probably be chalked up to the same laziness that made your complaints about unskippable cutscenes and sparse tutorials possible :P Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph IIRC, DC had this problem as well. The AC footage stuck out way too much in that game. Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph That does sound like a missed opportunity D: Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph No falling-off-the-bridge bit? o.O;;; Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph Nomura was after the Rurouni Kenshin look, obviously. Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph That's... really weird. 2nd Classes are supposed to wear dark red O_O Bad Square! No biscuit! Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph Did they ever explain how it went from being a play to an epic poem (or vice-versa, knowing the Compilation)? (edited by R. Kasahara on 06-25-08 10:59 AM) |
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Anguipes Seraph Jemnezmy Local moderator Level: 49 Posts: 553/806 EXP: 865388 For next: 18495 Since: 10-03-06 Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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Originally posted by R. Kasahara Nope. The entire journey up the mountain is shortened to a series of photos. The bit by the mako fountain is present, but only as a scene you might randomly see later via the DMW memories. Originally posted by R. Kasahara In CC 3rds wear blue, 2nds wear purple, and 1sts wear very dark navy blue/black. Zack does get the standard 1st uniform, as does Angeal. Sephiroth and Genesis don't, probably because no one has the guts to tell them to comply with uniform regulations. Edit: Huh. In the game 2nds are in purple, but in the artbook there's a red-brown version of the uniform. Wonder why they changed it? Originally posted by R. Kasahara It went from poem to play, according to CC. But, um, it was the "second and third acts" of the poem that were made into a play... WTF? Anyway, I've added some more thoughts, including starting on the most important stuff - plot and characters! ~ Anguipes, thinking way too much about Crisis Core so you don't have to (edited by Anguipes Seraph on 06-25-08 05:55 AM) (edited by Anguipes Seraph on 06-25-08 08:12 AM) |
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Ex-SOLDIER Sexy Exy Adminator-in-Chief Level: 57  Posts: 768/1076 EXP: 1485096 For next: 832 Since: 10-28-05 From: Sydney, Australia Since last post: 44 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| I'm in full agreement about the game being too easy, though once you give Hard Mode a try, that all goes out the window.
Instead, at times, it's too hard. I have found myself wondering, "Where is my happy medium?" Though I must admit, my first play through I found considerably difficult. Though that's almost certainly attributed to the fact that my first play through was with a Japanese version of the game, and I can't read a word of it. ^_^ Oh Oh Also, I did notice Cloud's uniform was Black at the end of CC. Now that was a retcon that can only be chalked up to laziness. And once again I voice my anger over THAT RETCON!! (You know the one). Since the Day I found it I just haven't been the same.>_< |
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Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph When I got the Tifa and Aeris FFVII Play Arts, something similar struck me with the latter figure... and I didn't like it. Tifa's figure is pretty much spot-on, but the one of Aeris isn't smiling—it's more like a flat expression, as opposed to the tiny, pert smile I'm used to—and her eyes seem slightly downcast. These details didn't ruin the figure for me, but I can't fully accept it as Aeris-based-on-the-original-design. Both figures are still boxed, though (and have been so for some time, along with Kadaj and Selphie... just lazy, I guess). Maybe I'll have a different opinion once she's out of the box and posed. Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph I understand what the writers were going for, but that's just... dumb. (edited by R. Kasahara on 06-25-08 12:00 PM) |
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| I still love the game even though of all these things the only thing that annoys me is the DMV system which is totally random ow and also the fact there is no medium difficulty for the same reasons as Ex also I always play the medium difficulty the first time I play a game. | |||
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Anguipes Seraph Jemnezmy Local moderator Level: 49 Posts: 554/806 EXP: 865388 For next: 18495 Since: 10-03-06 Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| For the record, the DMW system isn't totally random. There's a lot of hidden tallies in the game that affect it, especially Zack's leveling up. There's a hidden EXP counter that adjusts the likelihood of Zack leveling, so while there is a random element eventually after enough kills you'll hit a 100% chace of leveling next limit verge (and you'll probably do so well before then). | |||
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| I was actually on about the limit breaks which I should have really said really sorry. There is not set time when you get a limit verge you just get at random. Which has for me resulted in me getting verges just when I land the finshing blow on an enemy instead of when I really needed it or getting a verge when I do need it but not getting the limit break. | |||
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Anguipes Seraph Jemnezmy Local moderator Level: 49 Posts: 555/806 EXP: 865388 For next: 18495 Since: 10-03-06 Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| Added a point on Lazard under Mysteries. | |||
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Anguipes Seraph Jemnezmy Local moderator Level: 49 Posts: 556/806 EXP: 865388 For next: 18495 Since: 10-03-06 Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| And added something that I just realised on this playthrough - there is something very, very odd about Sephiroth's fanclub... (see Mysteries) | |||
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Ex-SOLDIER Sexy Exy Adminator-in-Chief Level: 57 Posts: 770/1076 EXP: 1485096 For next: 832 Since: 10-28-05 From: Sydney, Australia Since last post: 44 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Anguipes Seraph Who do you think it is? And I also vaguely remember there being some indiscretions with ages and time. I think the thing that irked me was how Genesis kept saying he wanted to be like the hero Sephiroth, who he looked up to when he was a boy. (<--- Might be wrong about that last part) BUT!! Genesis and Sephiroth are practically the same age (with Genesis most likely being a bit OLDER than him) and for him to look up to Sephiroth as a Hero would be rather difficult, considering that Sephiroth attained hero status during the Wutai War, a war which Genesis HIMSELF had fought in. Continuing with this, the training room scene between Sephiroth and Genesis clearly takes place before or during the Wutai War, and yet Genesis still claims that Sephiroth "Is not the only Hero" Once again I state, Sephiroth wasn't known as a Hero until he helped bring an END to the Wutai war. Please, somebody correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Anguipes Seraph Jemnezmy Local moderator Level: 49 Posts: 557/806 EXP: 865388 For next: 18495 Since: 10-03-06 Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| Quite, Ex-Soldier, it doesn't really work. Even if Sephiroth was a hero for his exploits during the Wutai war it still makes little sense considering he's a touch younger than Genesis and Angeal. On the same subject, why did Genesis and Angeal, being who and what they were, have a choice not to join SOLDIER?
I didn't mind the status quo of the relationship between them all as 1sts, but the background to it was badly done. As for "H"... well, I can think of a couple of H's with access to anything and everything about Sephiroth. Neither of them are women, and the possibility of either heading a Sephiroth fanclub is stomach churning. (edited by Anguipes Seraph on 06-26-08 05:39 AM) |
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Ex-SOLDIER Sexy Exy Adminator-in-Chief Level: 57 Posts: 771/1076 EXP: 1485096 For next: 832 Since: 10-28-05 From: Sydney, Australia Since last post: 44 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Ahhh of course of course.
Though on the note about Genesis and Angeal having a choice to NOT join SOLDIER, if I remember correctly, they were both deemed as failure's anyway. So perhaps that is why. |
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| Right now I can only think of Hojo, and Hollander, no more "H"s. Any other ideas, Anguipes? | |||
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Originally posted by EsKiMi Heidegger. As for Sephiroth's hero status, when did the Wutai War end in CC? Cloud looked up to him as a hero at least seven years prior to FFVII; wasn't the war still going on at that point? |
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Ex-SOLDIER Sexy Exy Adminator-in-Chief Level: 57 Posts: 772/1076 EXP: 1485096 For next: 832 Since: 10-28-05 From: Sydney, Australia Since last post: 44 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| I'm pretty sure it had ended by then, because it's specifically stated that Sephiroth attained his hero status during the Wutai War. But according to CC, Cloud was already a member of the Shin-ra Military when this happened.
I'm sensing a nice big glaring plot hole >_< (edited by Ex-SOLDIER on 06-26-08 10:54 AM) |
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| Just noticed another thing. What the hell happens to Cissnei. She is in the ending but they did not explain why she is not in the main game ,so what happens to her. | |||
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Originally posted by Ex-SOLDIER Okay, this is starting to bug me... Just took another look at the FFVII script, specifically the "promise by the well" bit: Tifa Okay, so Cloud left Nibelheim for Midgar seven years prior to FFVII, and Sephiroth was famous and admired then; the word "hero" was never mentioned, but it does seem to be implied. From Cloud's telling of the Nibelheim incident. This is the bit where they're all in the truck, and Cloud is talking to Sephiroth: Cloud Of course, we know that Cloud was never in SOLDIER, thus, these words can't be taken at full face value. However, they still contain three potential truths: Zack became First Class after the war ended, the war was still going on when Cloud first joined the military, and Sephiroth was already a hero before the end of the war. Just some thoughts. Personally, though, I'm leaning on the side of the potential truths being real, but that's mainly because I put the most faith in the original source material. (edited by R. Kasahara on 06-26-08 01:52 PM) (edited by R. Kasahara on 06-26-08 01:52 PM) (edited by R. Kasahara on 06-26-08 01:54 PM) (edited by R. Kasahara on 06-26-08 01:58 PM) |
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Anguipes Seraph Jemnezmy Local moderator Level: 49 Posts: 558/806 EXP: 865388 For next: 18495 Since: 10-03-06 Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| Established timeline, the scourge of retcons :P
The discrepancies all seem to trace back to one bit of laziness, too: it would seem no one bothered to check what age Sephiroth would have been at various points in the timeline. He's young enough during CC as it is (25 or younger, if we have the right date for Jenova's discovery). At a stretch, I can see how he could have influenced Genesis and Angeal. If he was shunted off to Wutai at a very young age (14-15) and immediately started distinguishing himself, it sort of fits. "I joined SOLDIER so I could be like you." I had also assumed that these applied to Zack, which was why I was slightly suprised that he made 1st rather before Nibelheim. On the other hand, Aerith always referred to Zack as a 1st in the original, and he must have met her before Nibelhiem (well, obviously). |
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