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R. Kasahara Underwater MP Genius of Love Host & Newsmonkey Level: 64  Posts: 433/1397 EXP: 2203086 For next: 11011 Since: 10-22-05 From: The place over there with the thing Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| This is slightly old news (as far as the Internet goes), as I'm sure some of you have probably heard about this already via Adventchildren_, AC.net, or elsewhere... but in case you haven't, it seems that K-pop singer Ivy has recreated the Tifa and Loz fight for a music video without Square Enix's permission.
Here's the YouTube video, for the record: |
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vincent2012 Mu Level: 31  Posts: 209/281 EXP: 171626 For next: 13737 Since: 01-18-07 From: Bucyrus/Alliance, OH Since last post: 1158 days Last activity: 1158 days |
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| that is wrong. in no way should anything FFVII related be used in a pop video ever. they are like polar opposites. they go together like cocaine and waffles... | |||
Dawn Treader Goblin Lazy Bum Moderator still doesn't know his password Level: 61  Posts: 510/1211 EXP: 1777076 For next: 99520 Since: 10-24-05 From: Wellington, New Zealand Since last post: 24 days Last activity: 15 hours |
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| Lawl.
They actually did a pretty good job of turning it into (sortof) live action, judging from what I can see. I really couldn't care about it, but maybe that's because of my lacklustre opinion of AC these days. |
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Gamingtrevor Bomb Now 100% Balder!!! (Give or take 2%) Level: 40  Posts: 463/468 EXP: 427093 For next: 14216 Since: 10-23-05 From: St. Petersburg, FL. Since last post: 583 days Last activity: 583 days |
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| There's a difference between an homage and a rip-off.
This is the latter. I agree with Kasahara... This is a obvious rip. Even with an homage, it's professional curtosy to let the originator know about it... Any plans from Square to sue? |
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Tseng-and-co Ark Dragon Level: 36  Posts: 264/374 EXP: 289627 For next: 18483 Since: 04-17-06 From: Ajax, Ontario Since last post: 430 days Last activity: 411 days |
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| Hah, IMO, they did an allright job, other than a crap attempt at Tifa's hair, a crap attempt at the Loz costume and hair, a crap attempt at materia (not to mention not showing the materia box), and the canon screwage.
I wouldn't call this a rip-off, a rip-off would be if they made a similar scene with different characters and such, wouldn't it? I would call this an attempt at a replication*, or maybe an attempt at a live-action. Squeenix are money hungry like every other company, they'll most likely sue...but dude, they had Gackt help them market half of the friggin compilation, could there be a chance that they'll leave the situation alone and call it, uhh..what should I call this? unofficial late marketing? *- Allways wanted to use "Replication" in a sentence. |
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Lentils on Lent Ghost Level: 24  Posts: 132/144 EXP: 71752 For next: 6373 Since: 12-17-05 Since last post: 246 days Last activity: 224 days |
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Why is everybody so indignant about this? It gives credit to FF7 AC at the beginning of the video, which is all that really matters as far as I'm concerned. The concept of intellectual property is bullshit.
Originally posted by vincent2012 I agree. which is Tetsuya Nomura has effectively fucked Final Fantasy in the ass in the following ways: 1. Lance Bass as Sephiroth, Mandy Moore as Aeris, etc. 2. Shitty pop music in the compilation of FF7, with a surprising lack of music from the original game returning in decent form. 3. Pop music is part of the consumer/pop culture aesthetic, which is present in the endless cellphone adverts, Matrix-wannabe syndrome and hyper-metrosexual bullshit. 4. Gackt. 5. Making FF bedfellows with Disney. From my point of view, this music video is far more respectful of AC than AC was of FF7. It is universally understood that even if a music video based on a movie is set in the film's enviornment and features its characters, it still does not exist within the same diegesis. Snoop Dogg might have rapped in Gotham City to promote the new Batman movie, but that doesn't make him a Batman character. AC and the compilation, on the other hand, are what those who adhere to the intentional fallacy call 'canon', meaning that it delibertately claims to wield authority over the original FF7 and thus imposes all its pop-culture bullshit on it. |
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memory to ZacK Kalm Fang Level: 32  Posts: 213/274 EXP: 191268 For next: 15174 Since: 10-24-05 From: Munich, Germany Since last post: 770 days Last activity: 765 days |
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| Just saw that on kotaku. Never thought a something like that to happen. What stroke me more is that it was made for a korean music video and everybody knows that consoles are a niche market in Korea. Did things start to change there? Who knows maybe they did this because no one in Korea would jnow its a live action rip-off from FFVII : AC.
Anyway, they should have contacted SE first to ask for permission and SE, in my opinion, should sue them. Unless the Final Fantasy brand is not protected by korean patent law, then they are doomed (unless FF brand is protected by international patent laws of course). I agree with you Lentils. I would have preferred Amano over Nomura, but I don t find Nomura bad actually. Something to cheer you up, in an interview Nomura stated that FFXIII will be the last FF game he designs as he wants to concentrate on KH only. |
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Buster_Boy Razor Weed Level: 46  Posts: 298/705 EXP: 695292 For next: 16482 Since: 11-27-06 From: Nibelheim Since last post: 761 days Last activity: 328 days |
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| it looks extremely cheesy from my point of view.
It also looks strange because that guy looks nothing like Loz and that woman looks nothing like Tifa. |
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R. Kasahara Underwater MP Genius of Love Host & Newsmonkey Level: 64 Posts: 435/1397 EXP: 2203086 For next: 11011 Since: 10-22-05 From: The place over there with the thing Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by Lentils on LentI take it you've never worked with intellectual property for a living? IP is how a large, large chunk of the world works. There's some things that are bad about it, like everything else, but that's the way it goes. Squeenix will probably take some sort of legal action (a lot of that, of course, depends on the intellectual property laws in South Korea), and I certainly don't blame them if they do. Originally posted by Lentils on LentI honestly don't believe Nomura can be held responsible for all of these things. To wit: 1. Lance Bass and Mandy Moore have worked extensively for Disney before KH. Their casting doubtless came down as a decision from Disney. 2. Nobuo Uematsu has been steadily leaving "classical" style music behind for years in favor of a more rock-based approach. Evidence: The Black Mages, the Blue Dragon OST. 3. The Matrix and Matrix-style effects have very, very strong origins in anime-- and CG anime artists (not just for AC, but several other films as well) have in turn been influenced by The Matrix. What goes around comes around. As for the cellphone ads, in Japan, Final Fantasy characters have shilled for Coca-Cola (FF9, which Nomura didn't work on) and McDonalds (Chocobo series... again, no Nomura) in the past. The DoCoMo cellphone product placement is unfortunate, but it was inevitable. Gonna skip the hyper-metrosexual bullshit bit, as I kind of like that about FF these days (if you want a more masculine Square Enix series, there's always Front Mission ;)). 4. Gonna skip this one, as I don't know the details ;) 5. Nomura is supposedly a HUGE Disney fan, so I'm not going to argue this point ;) I might also point out that Disney is popular in Japan in a way that eclipses the Western world; check out all the high-end Disney toys that come out of the place as an example. Originally posted by Lentils on LentOver? Wait a minute... if this was any other part of the Compilation, I could see that. But Advent Children? It's a tacked-on addition-- a sequel-- to the original FF7, not a replacement. Nothing I've seen in AC "wields authority" over anything in FF7. Oh, and mtZ: Originally posted by memory to ZacKThat's a really good question, actually. My guess is that FF7 was released on PC over there, just like it was in the States, Europe, etc. (edited by R. Kasahara on 03-14-07 01:12 PM) (edited by R. Kasahara on 03-14-07 01:17 PM) (edited by R. Kasahara on 03-14-07 01:19 PM) (edited by R. Kasahara on 03-14-07 01:22 PM) (edited by R. Kasahara on 03-14-07 01:23 PM) |
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namatamiku Mu Level: 31  Posts: 127/289 EXP: 182970 For next: 2393 Since: 11-20-06 Since last post: 949 days Last activity: 949 days |
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| The real question for me is: why? As far as I can tell that video has absolutely nothing to do with Advent Children, Square Enix, or, well, anything. How random.
It does make me think that a live action Advent Children coulda looked nifty. These folks in particular did a nice job on the set, but I could live with different actors and maybe a tone-down on the cheesiness. |
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memory to ZacK Kalm Fang Level: 32 Posts: 214/274 EXP: 191268 For next: 15174 Since: 10-24-05 From: Munich, Germany Since last post: 770 days Last activity: 765 days |
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| FFVII for pc might have been released in South Korea, but did it have any impact? I never read somewhere how good the pc released FFs did fare in Korea, but generally its number of sales are worldwide much lower than its console counterparts. Apart from Starcraft and various MMOs, I really don t know what Koreans play. An expert in this field would sure enlighten us.
Irrelevant to the thread: I really preferred Uematsu s classic and techno music over his current rock music (see FFIV, FFVI and FFVII, FFVIII). I did like the music from the Black Mages, but the originals are superior. Also the piano collections are tremendous and FFX s music was based on piano and I liked too. |
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Flicky Ghost Level: 24  Posts: 98/140 EXP: 69787 For next: 8338 Since: 10-28-05 From: Hanoi Since last post: 1163 days Last activity: 1039 days |
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| Lame faces... Lame music... Lame replica...
Gods... I hate it when they do those replicas unprofessionally. |
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R. Kasahara Underwater MP Genius of Love Host & Newsmonkey Level: 64 Posts: 436/1397 EXP: 2203086 For next: 11011 Since: 10-22-05 From: The place over there with the thing Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by memory to ZacKI very highly doubt FFVII had as much of an impact as any Blizzard game, but manga and anime are fairly popular in Korea, so that's probably where a lot of their JRPG fanbase comes from. (Totally random bit of trivia: It seems FFVII was released for PC even in Japan o_O) As for Nobuo... I've come to believe FFVIII is the pinnacle of his work with the Final Fantasy series; though the OSTs for FFIX and FFX (the latter of which he didn't completely compose) did have their moments, I'm not surprised to see him moving on to something different (albeit with varying degrees of success). Time will tell how long Nobuo will be rockin' :) |
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memory to ZacK Kalm Fang Level: 32 Posts: 219/274 EXP: 191268 For next: 15174 Since: 10-24-05 From: Munich, Germany Since last post: 770 days Last activity: 765 days |
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| Thinking of it, cultural japanese products were banned from South Korea, meaning that never any japanese product was ever officially released in South Korea, so under normal circumstances noone could have the slighest idea of FF. How could they even have a JRPG fanbase when none of these games were ever released there? There could have been a niche fanbase, but I wonder, did they import the games, was that even authorised by their government?
I suppose it happened somehow like that: Someone from the team saw AC and really liked the battles, then he proposed his superiors to make the video-clip a live-action of the scene, everybody liked the idea and approved it. I agree with you Reeve, FFVIII was the peak of Uematsu s music. Libera Fatali, eyes on me, but my favorite is Man with the Machine Gun (Laguna s battle theme), that s why I like Laguna so much. |
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R. Kasahara Underwater MP Genius of Love Host & Newsmonkey Level: 64 Posts: 446/1397 EXP: 2203086 For next: 11011 Since: 10-22-05 From: The place over there with the thing Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| A somewhat belated update on the music video situation: looks like Squeenix is suing the company that made the video for copyright infringement, defamation of character, and/or plagarism. (source 1 | source 2) (edited by R. Kasahara on 03-23-07 01:28 PM) |
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Ex-SOLDIER Sexy Exy Adminator-in-Chief Level: 58  Posts: 320/1076 EXP: 1486953 For next: 90593 Since: 10-28-05 From: Sydney, Australia Since last post: 48 days Last activity: 9 days |
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| I love how it isnt even subtle infringement, they just ripped off the whole damn thing:LOL:
But seriously, kinda surprising how they thought they wouldn't get caught, still, i must say they did an alright job of putting it into live action, but my main question is... "You ripped off everything else, so where the hell was Loz's Dual Hound?" |
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Travis Dorky Face Level: 44  Posts: 69/670 EXP: 594916 For next: 16369 Since: 06-18-07 From: The City of The Ancients Since last post: 16 days Last activity: 16 days |
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| Thats sad and shows how much creativity the singer really has | |||
DanDaMouse Aero Combatant Level: 24 Posts: 149/162 EXP: 76618 For next: 1507 Since: 11-26-06 From: Portsmouth Since last post: 663 days Last activity: 903 days |
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| I know its off the point, but the first thing that Marlene plays on the piano, what song or piano piece is that from? | |||
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.zPin0sa Naughty NANed Person Level: NAN  Posts: 170/-9861 EXP: NAN For next: 0 Since: 11-15-06 From: nowhere Since last post: 758 days Last activity: 758 days |
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| ZOMG THEY ALSO RIPPED OFF MOONLIGHT SONATA! WHERE ARE THE COPYRIGHT LAWYERS WHEN U NEED THEM? LOLZ!?OMG | |||
Devils Dog Whole Eater Level: 14  Posts: 27/49 EXP: 10985 For next: 2086 Since: 11-16-07 From: Clogher, Ireland Since last post: 762 days Last activity: 758 days |
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| not only did they use a copyrighted characters, they also made a good job of turning it into a piece of crap |
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